Anyway, if you have strong feelings, drop em here.

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It's also, like... Jepsen is roughly 50/50 paid vs unpaid work right now. Jepsen contract rates are high, which covers research, maintenance, and writing in between. It's hard to imagine sponsors could materially shift that balance.

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On the other hand, this presents a conflict-of-interest problem: so long as reports have a single sponsor (typically the vendor), it's easy to disclose and understand, but that's much trickier when there's a mix of a dozen ongoing sponsors.

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Been debating whether to open up GitHub Sponsorships for Jepsen. On the one hand, people keep asking to donate, and there could be, say, sponsor logos on the Jepsen web site, or rights to vote on which database Jepsen looks at in the next pro-bono analyses.

Right now Redis makes a great cache, lossy message bus, and scratchpad, but you have to plan on data loss. Redis-Raft should hopefully change that by offering strict serializability, and from our testing, it looks like they're on track. Watch for GA next year!

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Redis-Raft is really cool, because of the existing Redis replication strategies (Sentinel, Cluster, Enterprise, CRDT), all of them can lose updates during partitions.

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There are a ton of neat bugs here, including infinite loops, total data loss on failover, servers sending responses to the wrong clients, and all kinds of crashes. None should have affected production users; Redis-Raft wasn't public until May, and GA isn't until 2021.

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New Jepsen analysis: we worked with Redis Labs to evaluate Redis-Raft, a new, still-under-development approach to Redis replication, and found 21 issues, 20 of which have been fixed in recent builds. jepsen.io/analyses/redis-raft-

I'm gonna be giving a Zoom talk on Elle for CMU's database seminar, on July 27th. I think anyone can join, if you want to listen in. :) db.cs.cmu.edu/events/db-semina

RT @andy_pavlo
@jepsen_io .@halberenson sent me an amazing email last year about why the ANSI SQL isolation levels got muddied up. I'm sure he can share more details about what happened.

Anyway, consistency models are a mess; news at 11. 😂

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So, while Berenson et al. say that snapshot isolation isn't stronger than repeatable read, PostgreSQL appears to have implicitly adopted the strict interpretation instead, and says that SI is stronger than RR. In fact, SI prohibits *every* anomaly in the strict interpretation of the ANSI SQL standard, including their (narrow) definition of phantoms!

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This could still be consistent with the ANSI SQL standard's definition of repeatable read! As Berenson et al. pointed out twenty five years ago (!), the standard is ambiguous. The paper argues that there are two interpretations of the ANSI phenomena: strict, and broad. They say the broad interpretation is what ANSI *meant* to define, and goes on to define and analyze snapshot isolation in those terms. microsoft.com/en-us/research/w

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Something odd came up during this review, which Martin Kleppmman previously reported in github.com/ept/hermitage/blob/: PostgreSQL repeatable read isn't repeatable read: it's snapshot isolation, which allows a specific class of G2-item anomalies (those with nonadjacent rw edges) prohibited under formalizations of repeatable read.

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A new Jepsen report! It turns out that PostgreSQL's "serializable" isolation was not, in fact, serializable: it exhibited G2-item. A patch is coming in the next minor release. :) jepsen.io/analyses/postgresql-

Manish Jain, from Dgraph Labs, wrote a bit about his experience debugging Jepsen test failures, and how he used OpenCensus traces to get a handle on some tricky bugs: dgraph.io/blog/post/solving-je

So here's a neat thing postgres 12.3 might do? Maybe I'm doing it wrong, not sure yet.

All these transactions are executed with SERIALIZABLE isolation over lists implemented as comma-separated TEXT fields. `r x [1, 2]` means we read the current value of row x and found it to be [1,2]. `a x 3` means "append 3 to x", like so:

insert into txn1 as t (id, val) values ($1, $2) on conflict (id) do update set val = concat(t.val, ',', $3) where t.id = $4

rw is an anti-dep, ww and wr are deps.

"Note: Because of the way synchronous replication is implemented in PostgreSQL it is still possible to lose transactions even when using synchronous_mode_strict"

oh, okay, cool

is there a postgres replication/HA setup that *doesn't* lose data?

github.com/zalando/patroni/blo

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